they were a wide open city at the time. you had smoking areas, go to the bathroom and the smoke would be bill lowing out the door. no one seemed to care, nothing was wild and crazy, but in spite of that we still have good results. i move to allentown where everything was real strict, everything was if you were caught with cigarettes, you got to work in the cafeteria half-hour. bethelehem, the school district is fantastic, where as allentown has been taken over by the state. this is all because of local control. we need more stroll government involved in the school system. in spite of what you're saying that would straighten things out. when you see a school system disintergrate like alens will town. it's just the opposite today. can you answer that? and can you also answer the question i gave you about school choice in those other countries that are doing very well? host: andrew campnella, president of national school choice week. guest: yes, there is school choice in other countries. the netherlands is a great example. the